1 00:02:23,920 --> 00:02:28,948 - She's pretty, the lawyer, huh, Irma? - Yeah. She is. 2 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:33,073 They say her brother's a jerk. I hope the sister's okay. 3 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:38,157 - What do you think, Karchy? - Yeah, the sister's okay. 4 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:39,998 You know her? 5 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:41,992 I'm the brother. 6 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:49,071 - What? - That's enough. 7 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:51,399 Come on. 8 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:57,509 - How are you, Mr. Laszlo? - How are you, Mrs. Kiss? 9 00:02:57,720 --> 00:02:59,472 - Hello, Ann. - Mrs. Kiss. 10 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:12,433 - Grandpa, are you tired? - I'm okay. 11 00:03:12,640 --> 00:03:15,871 You should learn this dance. Maria, teach him. 12 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:19,278 - No. - Yeah. 13 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:21,511 - Mikey, come on. - I don't know how, Mom. 14 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:22,994 - Come on. - I don't know how. 15 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:42,516 - So they found the coke on you? Then? - He began the Miranda. 16 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:45,473 Then the other agent, the one with the pigtail... 17 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:48,831 ...he said, " Cuff him. " The first one never finished the Miranda. 18 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:50,473 Okay, that's it. 19 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:52,716 - He'll never cop to it. - We'll make him. 20 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:56,151 - He's got a history on Miranda. - Now, they've got two witnesses. 21 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:59,909 One's a hype. But the other is solid gold. 22 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:02,350 We'll dirty the hype and rub some off on the gold. 23 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:05,632 - How you gonna do that? - We'll deal with it. See you. 24 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:10,634 What about that B-and-E case we've got tomorrow morning? 25 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:14,389 - They don't wanna deal. - They'll deal. Thanks. 26 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:18,117 You must be a very foxy woman. 27 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:20,231 Just remember who you are, scumbag. 28 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:21,953 - Hi, Annie. - Hey, Johnny. 29 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:24,151 - Your secretary's trying to reach you. - Yeah? 30 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:26,430 - Call your dad. - My dad? 31 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:42,715 - Papa, what are you doing? - Here, read it. 32 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:45,798 - Why do you got these old pants on? - They say I killed people. 33 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:48,798 I asked you to throw those away. Come in, it's cold. 34 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:51,798 - Garbage. - What is this? 35 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:55,437 A man brought this, this morning. 36 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:02,313 I don't know nothing about. 37 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:04,352 I work in the mill... 38 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:06,755 ...I raise my kids. 39 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:13,192 It's my country. I've been here 37 years. I know. 40 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:16,638 They're going to take my citizenship away, I'll show you. 41 00:05:16,840 --> 00:05:19,638 - Papa. Papa. - I'll show you. 42 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:26,119 Well, this Michael J. Laszlo... 43 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:28,595 ...must have lied when he went for his citizenship. 44 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:31,189 He's accused of war crimes. 45 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:35,434 - Come on. I'll make some tea. - No. I'll make the tea. 46 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:40,755 How can they mix up? 47 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:46,351 - I was a farmer. - It's not you. 48 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:51,157 It's not you, they made a mistake. We will get this all cleared up. 49 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:13,474 Mrs. Talbot, are you here as Mr. Laszlo's attorney? 50 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:16,990 No, no, I just wanna get this thing cleared up. 51 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:20,876 - Papa, take your coat off. - No. 52 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:24,399 - Take your coat off. - No. 53 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:31,990 This is Jack Burke, he's from the Office of Special Investigations. 54 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:34,395 - How do you do, Mrs. Talbot? - Wanna go in? 55 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:35,749 - Mr. Laszlo. - Mike Laszlo. 56 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:37,439 My father. 57 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:43,993 Look, this is a mistake. 58 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:46,156 You've got the wrong Michael J. Laszlo. 59 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:47,839 Like hell we do. 60 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:51,510 - I beg your pardon. - We don't have the wrong man. 61 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:55,395 I didn't do any of this. It is not me. 62 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:58,478 I'm a citizen, I'm a- I'm a good American. 63 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:01,877 If you're a good American, this country's in big trouble. 64 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:04,675 What the hell is this? 65 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:08,359 You don't talk to him this way. 66 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:11,199 I won't allow anyone to talk to him this way. 67 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:14,233 I know why you do this to me. I know why. 68 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:18,194 The Communists are doing this to me. They are getting back at me. 69 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:23,073 Because of what you did to the dancers five years ago? 70 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:25,111 Went on TV, talked to the newspaper. 71 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:28,073 Made the dancers stop. That's what I did. That's all. 72 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:32,751 With all that activity, Mr. Laszlo, you gave yourself a nice alibi. 73 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:35,554 Are you accusing him of being anti-Communist? 74 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:39,196 In addition to the crimes he would have committed 40 years ago? 75 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:41,038 Why wasn't he charged earlier? 76 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:45,028 The witness reports were locked away in the United Nations until last year. 77 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:47,674 - That's why he wasn't charged sooner. - I don't- 78 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:51,270 - Papa. - Wait, Annie. I don't hurt nobody. 79 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:54,552 I work in the steel mill. 80 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:58,719 I raise my kids. My boy, my girl. 81 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:04,199 My boy was an American soldier. He fought in Vietnam. 82 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:07,233 My girl, I'm proud. 83 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:09,317 She is American lawyer. 84 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:14,196 And you, you laugh at me. You son of a bitch. 85 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:23,234 Mrs. Talbot, you should know the Hungarian government... 86 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:26,591 - ... has already filed for extradition. - What? 87 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:28,631 What does it mean? What does it mean? 88 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:30,831 It means if your citizenship is taken away... 89 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:33,998 - ... you'll be sent to Hungary for trial. - They'll send me to die. 90 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:37,272 Nobody is going to take away your citizenship, Papa. 91 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:40,836 - Papa, nobody. - Yeah. 92 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:48,231 I don't know, Papa. 93 00:08:48,560 --> 00:08:51,233 We'll get you a lawyer, we'll get you the very best lawyer. 94 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:53,749 - You're gonna be my lawyer. - No, Papa. 95 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:56,394 I don't know anything about naturalization. 96 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:59,478 We'll get you the best immigration lawyer. 97 00:08:59,680 --> 00:09:02,319 - Papa, I'm a criminal lawyer. - They say I'm a criminal. 98 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:05,512 They say I'm a humanity criminal. 99 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:07,517 The car is here. 100 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:13,595 The first time you kissed a boy, he touched you... 101 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:18,191 ...we came here. I didn't know what to say. 102 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:22,349 We came here. Words came easier here. 103 00:09:22,560 --> 00:09:24,596 Your mama helped me. 104 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:26,791 What did I know about...? 105 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:29,275 About raising a girl? 106 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:32,438 Here. 107 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:34,676 You remember, Annie? 108 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:41,948 We were in the refugee camp. 109 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:47,439 After the war, in Austria... 110 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:50,070 ...I met your mama there. 111 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:54,114 Now you have the same age... 112 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:58,438 ...like your mama when she died, Annie. 113 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:07,434 They came around the camps. 114 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:11,796 Hungarian Communist officials from Budapest... 115 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:15,437 ...looking for anti-Communists. 116 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:20,191 They say you are a war criminal and send you back to Hungary... 117 00:10:20,680 --> 00:10:22,716 ...hang you from a tree. 118 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:27,152 " Repatriation," that's what they call it. 119 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:34,275 Everybody knew that if you said you were a farmer... 120 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:39,793 ...you got to America quicker. America had a quota for farmers. 121 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:43,151 I said I was a farmer. 122 00:10:43,680 --> 00:10:45,750 I got here quick. 123 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:49,795 Weren't you a farmer, Papa? 124 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:54,118 Yeah. I was a farmer when I was- When I was a boy. 125 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:56,432 Well, what were you then? 126 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:02,717 I was a gendarme. A policeman. A gendarme. 127 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:08,995 No, no, don't look at me like that, Annie. I didn't do anything bad. 128 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:12,431 Crazy Hungarian Nazis, they took over. 129 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:14,676 I told them: 130 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:18,793 " I want to be a clerk in the office. " 131 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:25,190 So that's what I did. 132 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:29,552 I was a clerk in the office. 133 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:34,117 Come here. Come here. 134 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:38,636 Give me your hand. 135 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:44,075 And so the legal paper, what it said I did... 136 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:47,716 ...you think I did that? 137 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:49,831 Oh, no. 138 00:11:51,560 --> 00:11:54,438 Oh, no, Papa. 139 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:57,156 Yeah, it was so cold. 140 00:11:57,560 --> 00:11:59,073 - Hi. - Hi, Grandpa. 141 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:00,508 I didn't know you were here. 142 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:02,278 - Stopped by to see Mikey. - Hi, Mom. 143 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:04,152 - Hi, baby. - Mischka. 144 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:07,557 - Saw you on TV. - Yeah, we saw you on TV. 145 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:09,239 It's all fake. We'll talk later. 146 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:12,352 You wanna make some popcorn, Mikey? Lot of salt? 147 00:12:12,560 --> 00:12:14,994 No salt, Papa. 148 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:18,158 - Lot of salt, Annie. Paprika. - Come on, Grandpa. 149 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:19,998 What that? 150 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:22,873 I asked my dad to help- 151 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:26,436 For him to help me get rid of the rust. But he didn't know how. 152 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:29,393 Give me a Coca-Cola and a sponge. 153 00:12:30,560 --> 00:12:32,755 He wants me to represent him. 154 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:35,076 If I were you, I wouldn't represent him. 155 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:37,350 - Bye, Mikey. Bye, Mischka. - Bye, Dad. 156 00:12:37,560 --> 00:12:39,232 - Bye, Dean. - What if he did it? 157 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:40,953 Oh, Christ, Dean. 158 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:45,039 You'd still love him. He's still your dad. Blood's thicker than spilled blood. 159 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:48,869 That sounds just like something Harry would say, not you. 160 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:51,355 I'm just saying, don't represent him. 161 00:12:51,560 --> 00:12:53,676 It's not just another case to win. 162 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:02,075 I always say my prayers and do my pushups. 163 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:03,998 Maybe it does good, maybe not. 164 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:08,751 You gotta pass, run, try everything to make a touchdown, Mikey. 165 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:12,635 Do you always do your pushups, Mikey? 166 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:17,914 - Yeah, makes a healthy body. - A healthy body makes a healthy spirit. 167 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:21,233 God, you're strong, Grandpa. 168 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:26,275 Getting weaker every day. 169 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:28,152 No, you're not. 170 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:31,716 You wanna talk about the TV? 171 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:35,596 - Okay. - It's not me they're talking about. 172 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:38,109 They made a mistake. 173 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:40,869 I didn't kill anybody or hurt anybody. 174 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:44,837 - That's not your grandpa. - I know, Grandpa. 175 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:48,110 Your mama, she's a good lawyer. 176 00:13:48,560 --> 00:13:53,350 - She'll defend you? - Yeah, we're a family. 177 00:13:53,560 --> 00:13:58,236 - You got trouble, I help. I got trouble... - I help. 178 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:00,237 You help. 179 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:05,075 If somebody says something about your grandpa... 180 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:08,756 ...one of your friends, you say: 181 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:11,679 " Fuck you! Jump in the lake. " 182 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:13,711 I can say that? 183 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:35,277 - Good night, Mikey. - Good night, Grandpa. 184 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:39,671 Papa? 185 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:47,510 - Papa, I'll represent you. - Good. 186 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:51,519 "Good"? That's all? 187 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:55,998 - Very good. - Oh, "very good. " 188 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:01,958 I need to know everything about you, everything that they might know. 189 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:05,353 I think you should stay here with me and Mikey for a while. 190 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:08,996 No. I'll go to my own house. 191 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:12,277 But we can work better out of here, Papa. 192 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:16,510 It's not gonna be easy. 193 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:22,872 Papa? 194 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:25,671 It'll be okay. 195 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:28,236 It'll be okay, Papa. 196 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:33,434 No, Annie, it's never going to be okay again. 197 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:41,072 Hey, hey. Hey, nice boots. You're looking good. 198 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:43,430 Good-looking butt too. 199 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:45,473 - Hi. How you doing? - Hey, Karchy. 200 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:48,194 - Why don't you come inside. - No, no, I forgot my tie. 201 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:51,358 Listen, I got a list of guys from the mill who are gonna testify. 202 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:54,996 - Okay? I can get more if you want to. - No, this will be enough, this is- 203 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:58,118 You're gonna get him out of this, ain't you? 204 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:00,756 - Ain't you? - Yes. 205 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:04,669 I mean, you better. Because if this was a bar fight and he needed me... 206 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:10,238 ...I'd slice some nuts. Pop, he busted his guts 30 years in that fucking mill. 207 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:14,274 - He did it all for us here, you know? - I know that, Karchy. 208 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:17,631 - Well, what's going on? - Well, I have to put the case together. 209 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:20,035 He ain't no fucking case, he's Pop. 210 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:22,310 Now, you're gonna have to slice some nuts here. 211 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:24,909 Karchy, why do you always have to talk so crude? 212 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:28,999 What? You know another way of slicing nuts without being crude? 213 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:31,156 I'm gonna have to get crude here. 214 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:36,674 Go to work. 215 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:40,993 I just don't want you losing clients because I'm working out of this office. 216 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:43,634 I'll work out of my ex-father-in-law's office. 217 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:46,752 - She returns to Harry Talbot. - Just for the trial. 218 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:48,678 Here, these are Monday's hearings. 219 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:52,759 - These trials last for years, Ann. - Oh, not this one, Mackie. 220 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:57,312 Harry was in the OSS during the war, you know. 221 00:16:57,520 --> 00:16:59,795 And the OSS becomes the CIA. 222 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:03,037 And the CIA sets up its first little spy apparatus in Europe... 223 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:06,312 ...by putting a bunch of Gestapo guys on the payroll. 224 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:10,479 Word is Harry used to sip his bourbon with Klaus Barbie. 225 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:14,275 Well, now, the word I heard was that he sipped bourbon with senators. 226 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:17,358 He even sipped bourbon in the White House a couple times. 227 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:20,472 I never heard anything about Klaus Barbie. 228 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:23,194 Those are all next week. 229 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:26,479 Why don't you get somebody else to represent your father? 230 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:29,478 Get that guy from Cleveland. He handled that Dimuna- 231 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:33,593 That Demjena- That Dimjolt guy, whatever his name was. 232 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:35,472 Take it easy. 233 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:37,033 He wants me to represent him. 234 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:39,037 What do you know about 40 years ago... 235 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:41,231 ...in a part of the world you've never been? 236 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:43,476 What do we know about our parents? 237 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:46,837 Oh, I know him, Mackie. He raised me. 238 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:49,949 Have you ever thought about his fantasies? 239 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:53,755 - How he makes love? - Oh, Lord. 240 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:56,269 I don't understand why you can't work out of here. 241 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:59,711 Maybe she's afraid you're gonna be going through her drawers. 242 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:03,478 - God knows I tried. - Very funny, Sandy. 243 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:06,319 This isn't funny, Annie. This is Uncle Sam's big truck... 244 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:08,078 ...coming down full-bore. 245 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:18,679 - Hi, Harry. - So we finally got you back, did we? 246 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:23,395 After all these years of your ethnic airs about working up here. 247 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:27,995 Mrs. Cooper will take care of everything for you. Bourbon for me. 248 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:32,273 Dean likes yuppie drinks. Sometimes the apple falls far from the tree. 249 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:35,432 We got our judge. 250 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:39,555 - Erwin Silver. - Silver, you kidding? 251 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:44,069 I wish a jury could hear this. 252 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:47,272 A daughter defending her father would strike them as heartrending. 253 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:50,472 It's not gonna strike Erwin Silver as heartrending, I'll tell you. 254 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:54,912 - All I know about him is that he's fair. - Sure he is. 255 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:58,515 I don't care that he's Jewish, I care that he's fair. 256 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:00,915 I care that he's fair. 257 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:05,075 In this case, I also care that he's Jewish. 258 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:08,431 Probably lean over backwards though. He'll have to. 259 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:15,719 You think you could claim bias? Have his verdict put aside? 260 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:20,593 Harry, I hadn't even thought of that. 261 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:24,752 You don't have a prayer, you know that? 262 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:26,951 The Holocaust is the world's sacred cow. 263 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:29,993 Holocaust survivors are secular saints. 264 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:33,158 You'd be better off pissing on the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier... 265 00:19:33,360 --> 00:19:35,157 ...than trying to cross-examine him. 266 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:38,753 - How's my grandson? - Fine. 267 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:41,554 That's all you ever say about him. " He's fine. " 268 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:44,637 He's fine. 269 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:52,594 When you've settled in, you can use my secretaries, they're at your disposal. 270 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:55,997 By the way, Mischka didn't do it, did he? 271 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:12,117 This is it. 272 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:16,595 - So I'll see you later then? - Yeah. 273 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:43,110 Bring me a Scotch and a bottle of whatever Mrs. Talbot's drinking. 274 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:48,870 I had a professor in law school who'd say: 275 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:53,471 " Don't ever let a case beat you down. Always trust what you feel inside. " 276 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:56,110 But he wasn't a litigator. 277 00:21:56,720 --> 00:22:01,236 He was dropping pearls of wisdom on young, idealistic students. 278 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:06,390 You're trusting your heart. And you're going to get it broken. 279 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:08,830 What are you trusting, your ambitions? 280 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:13,592 It must be devastating to have to read those things about someone you love. 281 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:15,912 I'm sorry. 282 00:22:16,120 --> 00:22:19,112 I don't want your condescension. 283 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:22,716 Come on, have a drink. 284 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:27,153 You've got the wrong man. 285 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:29,118 I wish we did. 286 00:22:29,360 --> 00:22:33,273 You know, it's a perfect camouflage. Raise a couple of all-American kids... 287 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:35,710 ...and you avoid even a shadow of suspicion. 288 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:37,876 - You know, you're his perfect alibi. - Yeah? 289 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:41,072 I'm sorry. Oh, violence runs in the family. 290 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:43,350 Fuck you. 291 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,668 Now, when I say go, we both point to the right. 292 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:55,552 Go. 293 00:22:59,960 --> 00:23:03,077 - Hey, porcupine. Come here. - Hi. 294 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:05,510 - Dinner's ready. - Point to the right, will you? 295 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:07,597 I'm not gonna eat. 296 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:10,076 How can you watch this? 297 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:13,558 What's the matter? 298 00:23:18,360 --> 00:23:21,636 How would you feel, Papa, if we had a Jewish judge? 299 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:25,876 You think it's a good idea? 300 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:27,877 A funny idea, that's for sure. 301 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:33,076 - He's a good judge. - Okay. If you think so, it's okay. 302 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,919 Papa, why didn't we ever have any Jewish friends? 303 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:46,629 How are we gonna meet? 304 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:50,515 Our friends, we see at church, on the west side. 305 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,193 Jews live on the other side. 306 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:56,438 At mill, I have Jewish friends. 307 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:58,870 Why didn't you ever invite them to the house? 308 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:01,390 They no invite me to come over. 309 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:06,675 At the university, you dated a Jewish boy. 310 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:11,354 I told you not to date a Jewish boy. 311 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:13,671 Papa, tell me about the Special Section. 312 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:19,158 Those... 313 00:24:19,360 --> 00:24:22,238 ...killers. Close to the SS. 314 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:26,273 Commando. 315 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:31,671 I don't know. 316 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:34,598 I've got nothing to do with them. 317 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:37,392 Papa... 318 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,956 ...they have a Photostat of a Special Section ID card... 319 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,833 ...with your signature, with your picture on it. 320 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:46,391 It's not possible. 321 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:48,757 Where did they get it? 322 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,349 The Hungarian government turned it over to them. 323 00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,638 I tell you, they... 324 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,592 They put my gendarme picture on it. 325 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,713 My- My writing. 326 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,435 To fake. To fake the card. 327 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:12,756 They got witnesses. 328 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:16,316 Witnesses who identify you. 329 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:22,029 They're accusing you of horrible things, Papa. 330 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:25,835 Annie, the Communists said to them: 331 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:29,589 " Better for you if you identify him. " 332 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,030 Isn't there some record somewhere, Papa? 333 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,118 Some record of your assignment as a clerk? 334 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:37,788 They're going to tell you they don't have it. 335 00:25:38,120 --> 00:25:40,350 It was lost in the bombings. 336 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,878 The Americans drop bombs in the war. 337 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:47,751 That's funny. 338 00:25:50,360 --> 00:25:52,191 Annie... 339 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:56,599 ...are you upset at me? Or at the case? 340 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,228 It makes me sick, Papa. 341 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:03,590 They took those people... 342 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:08,079 ...women and children, and they lined them up on the riverbank. 343 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,199 That's why I came to America. 344 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,080 It made me ashamed of being Hungarian. 345 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,396 You are American. 346 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:27,829 We are American. 347 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,111 You're lucky... 348 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:35,960 ...to be young in America. 349 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:38,670 Not in Europe... 350 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,318 ...during the war. 351 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:50,312 Let's start from the beginning. 352 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:52,317 - Let's start from the beginning. - Okay. 353 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,514 - " Had. " Had a dog. Had a dog. - What? 354 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:02,076 - " Had," not " has. " - Maybe we should forget this, go home. 355 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:08,395 Six million dead! Six million dead! Six million dead! 356 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:12,635 - I'm not scared, Grandpa. - Me either. 357 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,832 Nazi, go home! Nazi, go home! 358 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:26,271 You see them? They've already decided I'm guilty. 359 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:30,598 See, Mike, it's white folks like you that ruin a nice integrated neighbourhood. 360 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:35,032 Okay, gypsy, you piss on the poor man. Everybody piss on the poor man. 361 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,231 Gypsy piss too. 362 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:44,316 I've gotta sneak into my own house like a robber. 363 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,348 Mikey, no, no, no. 364 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,035 I'm not afraid, Grandpa. 365 00:27:55,680 --> 00:28:00,390 Go home! Nazi, go home! Nazi, go home! 366 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:03,198 Okay. 367 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,436 I'll get the stuff you want. 368 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,234 - Is this your wedding picture? - Yeah, it is. 369 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,273 Ann looks just like her mother. 370 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,718 It must have been hard, a widower with two kids. 371 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:25,277 In the beginning, yeah. But then Annie took care of everything. 372 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,912 I like you better with a moustache, I think. 373 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:30,953 You need the bank papers too? 374 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:32,953 Yes, everything. 375 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:38,596 Come away from there. 376 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:40,718 - Are you okay? - Yeah, I'm fine. 377 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,195 Get out of here. Leave us alone! 378 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:50,075 - Nazi, go home! Nazi, go home! - Leave us alone! 379 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:53,795 - Nazi, go home! Nazi, go home! - Go, go, go. Come on. Come on. 380 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,589 You must be elated this morning. 381 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,557 Old man in a Bears cap, his arm around his grandson... 382 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,718 ...being threatened by a screaming mob. A jury will love it. 383 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,639 I think he should be shot for taking Mikey over there. 384 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:12,956 What jury? I won't have a jury. 385 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,515 Sure you will. The world will be your jury. 386 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:19,076 Even paragons of virtue like Judge Silver are human beings. 387 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,840 - Good morning, Mr. Talbot. - Morning, Jimmy. 388 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,993 I did some checking on your prosecutor. 389 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:27,792 I didn't ask you to do that. 390 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,754 He was a federal prosecutor in Philadelphia, good one. 391 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:32,234 Never lost a case. 392 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:35,000 Nine months ago, he shows up at Justice in Washington... 393 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,873 ...volunteers for Special Investigations. 394 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:41,834 I'll make phone calls to Philadelphia, find out what happened there. 395 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,712 I can handle my own case, Harry, I don't need any help. 396 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:49,913 From what I hear with this case, you're gonna need all the help you can get. 397 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,436 What's that supposed to mean? 398 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,837 - Hear from who? - Hear from "whom. " 399 00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,315 I thought you'd mastered the English language. 400 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:00,511 - Hear from whom? - Better. 401 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,394 - Hey, Georgine! - Don't you have a boy to get home to? 402 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,717 Georgine, I found it. Same thing happened before. 403 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:11,550 A man by the name of Walus, charged with war crimes in Lithuania. 404 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,433 They prepare this elaborate case, they bring him to trial... 405 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:18,189 ...they brought over all these witnesses. He was the wrong man. 406 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:20,789 The wrong man. The witnesses were mistaken. 407 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:25,551 They simply had the wrong man. The judge found him innocent. 408 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:30,835 Yeah, so tell me about my dad. 409 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:34,953 Well, he goes to church, to the cemetery. 410 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,835 He buys strudel at the bakery, he plays checkers in the park. 411 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:42,032 He even makes a few bets on the Cubs and the Bears games. 412 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:46,153 Oh, I'm gonna have to tell Karchy. He's always after Karchy for betting. 413 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:49,193 - Do you know an Irma Kiss? - Who? 414 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,073 Mrs. Irma Kiss, a widow. 415 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:57,434 Oh, Kiss. Yes, Irma Kiss. She makes doughnuts at the church. 416 00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,632 - That ain't all she makes. - What? 417 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:05,511 Off and on for 10 years now. Three, four times a month. 418 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,669 I don't believe it. 419 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:16,832 No. 420 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,279 Now, he doesn't spend a lot of money... 421 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:28,315 ...but he did spend much more for a while a couple of years ago... 422 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,991 ...but then I guess he learned to stick to $10 bets. 423 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:36,876 - Who's Tibor Zoldan? - I don't know. 424 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:40,470 Mike wrote him a $2000 check three years ago. 425 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,717 It's the biggest check he's ever written. 426 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:48,035 This group he belongs to, the Attila Circle... 427 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,630 ...it's just a bunch of little old guys who drag out the picket signs... 428 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,308 ...whenever some dimwit Communist diplomat... 429 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,193 ...makes the mistake of coming over here. 430 00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:02,352 Honestly, Ann, I don't think there's no devil here to advocate. 431 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:07,513 What? 432 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:10,752 Irma Kiss. 433 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,711 Papa, who's Tibor Zoldan? 434 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:16,751 A friend from the refugee camp. 435 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:20,191 He went back to the old country, then he came here. 436 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,432 I gave him some money to get started... 437 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:25,995 ...and he got himself killed in a car accident... 438 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,873 ...and then I didn't get my money back. 439 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:33,238 Are you ready? 440 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,830 I've spent my whole life trying to forget what I saw. 441 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:40,919 - Now I have to remember. - We have to do this, Papa. 442 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:46,032 All right, let's begin with Mrs. Kiss. 443 00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,035 Irma Kiss? 444 00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:57,637 Jesus Christ. 445 00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:01,310 Damn lawyers. They find out everything. 446 00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,799 Papa, why didn't you ever marry her? 447 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,112 I couldn't marry anyone after your mama. 448 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,399 You didn't need another mama. 449 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:18,997 How about you? 450 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,473 You meet anybody since you got divorced? 451 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,399 Well, yeah. I mean, I've met a few men. 452 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,594 What about Dean? 453 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:34,672 Yeah. What about Dean? 454 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,076 He's a nice man. 455 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:43,638 - And he still loves you, Annie. - Okay. 456 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,430 Tell me how you joined the gendarmes. 457 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:53,997 Papa was a peasant. 458 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:56,989 We were very poor. 459 00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,194 I didn't go to school. No money. 460 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,036 I liked the gendarme. 461 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:08,275 They paid good, had a nice uniform... 462 00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:10,398 ...with a feather on the hat. 463 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:12,795 And the music. 464 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,118 - Hello. - Well, hello. 465 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:31,439 So you wanna take a swing at me this time? Is that why you invited me here? 466 00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,598 Look, I've always had a working relationship with the other side. 467 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:36,358 We just got off on the wrong foot. 468 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,711 The night before court, you wanna work on the working relationship. 469 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:41,194 Terrific. 470 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,391 What do you really want? 471 00:34:50,720 --> 00:34:53,029 My father was manager of a restaurant. 472 00:34:53,240 --> 00:34:56,198 - Yeah? - But he didn't have music like this. 473 00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,517 And the room wasn't near as pretty as this. 474 00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:02,756 Yeah. I... 475 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,675 I wasn't too keen on the smell of grilled onions... 476 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,235 ...so after I got my degree, I became a- 477 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,830 I worked for the county as an assistant to the DA. 478 00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:15,351 And after a while... 479 00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:17,352 ...Uncle Sam came after me. 480 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,313 Here I am, and here we are. 481 00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:22,637 Cheers. 482 00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:30,031 So how does a Laszlo become a Talbot? 483 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,995 It's easy to fall in love when you've got something in common. 484 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,077 Oh, yeah? Like what? 485 00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:41,516 Like he didn't wanna be a Talbot anymore... 486 00:35:41,720 --> 00:35:44,359 ...and I didn't want to stay a Laszlo. 487 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,071 Sounds like heaven. 488 00:35:47,720 --> 00:35:52,350 So, what happened? With all these lofty ambitions? 489 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:57,719 It was a big move from Damon Avenue to Lake Forest. 490 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:01,151 I guess I never quite got there. 491 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,472 What is this stuff? It's unusual, huh? 492 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,198 It's good, but it's different. 493 00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:13,670 It's called Bull's Blood. 494 00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,713 It kind of sneaks up on you. Clobbers you. 495 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:18,239 I bet. 496 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:22,476 - It's a Hungarian trait. - Really? 497 00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,871 I heard about your wife. I'm sorry. 498 00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,748 You must've felt very bad. 499 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:37,791 Yes. It was... 500 00:36:38,720 --> 00:36:40,756 ...a terrible accident. 501 00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:44,988 The police report said you were drunk. 502 00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:51,514 It must not have been very easy to cover up. 503 00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:55,393 You know, I liked you, Mrs. Talbot. 504 00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:58,552 Now I think I must have misjudged you. 505 00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:01,071 You are your father's daughter. 506 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,396 Well, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to upset you. 507 00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:05,158 Yes, you did. 508 00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,113 You find the soft spot, then you like to turn the knife. 509 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,949 So didn't joining legal aid ease the guilt, Jack? 510 00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,992 What if going after war criminals doesn't do it either? 511 00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:17,713 What are you gonna do then? 512 00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:21,708 You're gonna find Jesus. You're gonna get yourself born-again? 513 00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,718 Do you honestly think you need a self-serving reason... 514 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,354 ...to justify prosecuting war criminals? 515 00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:32,517 I think maybe you should get another lawyer, Mrs. Talbot. 516 00:37:32,720 --> 00:37:34,950 Maybe a real lawyer to defend your father. 517 00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,549 One who's not emotionally involved. 518 00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:41,230 If you like, I'll accept a postponement while you... 519 00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,510 ...get a replacement. 520 00:37:43,720 --> 00:37:45,278 And by the way... 521 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,074 ...they never pressed charges because there was no case. 522 00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:49,599 I was innocent. 523 00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,360 But they could've pressed charges, couldn't they, Jack? 524 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,233 They could've built a case if they wanted to. 525 00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,396 Just like you're doing with my father. 526 00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:01,354 I fail to see how you can equate one with the other, Mrs. Talbot... 527 00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:03,232 ...but maybe you can in court. 528 00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,637 Good evening. I hope you enjoy your dinner. 529 00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:19,319 Smile, Papa. 530 00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:25,395 How can I smile? I'm scared. I'm going to pee in my pants. 531 00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,548 Papa, I want you to be real friendly with Georgine. 532 00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:30,159 Talk to her. Smile at her. 533 00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,071 Mike Laszlo. 534 00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:40,237 Six million lies! 535 00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:51,270 We're behind you, Mike! 536 00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:53,791 God be with you. 537 00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:55,833 Mike is innocent. 538 00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:57,868 Mike is innocent. 539 00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,359 Any statement, Mrs. Talbot? 540 00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:18,594 Hi. Hi. Annie. 541 00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,109 Annie, can I sit up here with you guys? 542 00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,311 Karchy. Give Karchy a hug. 543 00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:25,351 - I saw him this morning. - Give him a hug. 544 00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:27,391 - Okay. Okay. - Go sit down. 545 00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:29,591 - Why? - Tomorrow, wear a suit. Go sit down. 546 00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:31,836 - Can I-? - Sit down. 547 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,032 Talk to Georgine. 548 00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:42,876 A lot of people here, gypsy. 549 00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:48,876 All rise. 550 00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:56,391 Hear ye, hear ye, hear ye. 551 00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:58,158 United States District Court... 552 00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,158 ...for the northern district of lllinois is now in session. 553 00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:04,989 The Honourable Erwin W. Silver, judge, presiding. 554 00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:08,192 God save the United States and this honourable court. 555 00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:11,039 Please be seated and come to order. 556 00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,831 Case number 89-CN-22-80: 557 00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:19,511 The United States of America v. Michael J. Laszlo. 558 00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:25,639 I will tolerate no outbursts, disturbances or interruptions. 559 00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:27,911 You may make your opening statements. 560 00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,309 Thank you, Your Honour. May it please the court. 561 00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:33,397 - Mr. Burke. - Counsel? 562 00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:35,268 Mr. Burke. 563 00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:39,998 The issue in this case is simple. 564 00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:43,996 The evidence will show that Michael J. Laszlo... 565 00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:47,397 ...lied on his application for American citizenship... 566 00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:51,036 ...and was granted that citizenship under false pretences. 567 00:40:51,240 --> 00:40:54,516 His citizenship, consequently, must be taken away. 568 00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,560 He lied in order to hide the fact... 569 00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:03,357 ...that in the latter months of 1944 and the early months of 1945... 570 00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:08,918 ...he served as a member of an SS-organized Hungarian death squad... 571 00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:10,712 ...known as Arrow Cross. 572 00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,150 Also called the Special Section... 573 00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:16,992 ...a unit of the Hungarian gendarmes. 574 00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:21,274 Mr. Laszlo committed crimes so heinous that the mind boggles... 575 00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:22,993 ...trying to comprehend them. 576 00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:26,431 We are not speaking here of the banality of evil... 577 00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:32,158 ...of an anonymous bureaucrat sitting in an office giving orders... 578 00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:35,836 ...or a gendarme executing orders. 579 00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:38,874 We are speaking of a man... 580 00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:43,232 ...who committed these heinous crimes with his own hands. 581 00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,398 We are speaking of evil incarnate. 582 00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,311 Thank you, Your Honour. 583 00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,839 - Your Honour, if it please the court. - Mrs. Talbot. 584 00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,270 - Counsel. - Mrs. Talbot. 585 00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:58,913 Your Honour... 586 00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:02,112 ...the issue here is not whether my father lied... 587 00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:05,198 ...on his application for American citizenship. 588 00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:07,277 That is a smoke screen. 589 00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:09,391 Yes. My father did lie. 590 00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:12,592 But he did so because he did not want to be repatriated... 591 00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,189 ...by a Communist government that either executed... 592 00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:19,109 ...or sent to work camps all those who opposed it. 593 00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:21,276 My father was a gendarme. 594 00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:24,438 But he was not a member of the Special Section. 595 00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:26,790 My father worked as a clerk in an office. 596 00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,833 He requested that assignment because he could not tolerate... 597 00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:34,158 ...the brutalities that he witnessed his fellow gendarmes commit. 598 00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:38,598 My father is simply an innocent man who is unjustly accused. 599 00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:41,350 He is a man who is being punished by proxy... 600 00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:44,154 ...by a Communist government for an action he committed... 601 00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:47,830 ...against representatives of that government five years ago. 602 00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:50,235 - Your Honour, with your permission. - You may. 603 00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:52,192 Would you please? 604 00:42:58,240 --> 00:43:01,550 At an appearance here of the Hungarian National Folk Dancers... 605 00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,479 ...a group belonging to the Communist government... 606 00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,593 ...my father forced the performance to halt. 607 00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:11,157 The tour was cancelled, my father was arrested. 608 00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:13,920 Charges were later dismissed. 609 00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:17,032 The Hungarian government lodged an official protest... 610 00:43:17,240 --> 00:43:19,834 ...over the dismissal of those charges. 611 00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,952 The State Department rejected that protest. 612 00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:26,118 His action was a demonstration against the repressive policies... 613 00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:28,914 ...of the Communist government. Policies which resulted... 614 00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:34,797 ...in the deaths of 15,000 people during the Hungarian revolution of 1956. 615 00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:37,509 My father is a good man. 616 00:43:37,720 --> 00:43:41,679 He's the kind of man who is willing to put himself at risk against injustice. 617 00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:43,438 I know that, Your Honour. 618 00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:46,712 And before this trial is over, I will prove it to you. 619 00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:48,399 Thank you. 620 00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:49,869 Yeah. 621 00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:53,072 You may call your first witness, Mr. Burke. 622 00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:56,034 I'm employed by the United States Department of Justice... 623 00:43:56,240 --> 00:43:58,390 ...the Immigration and Naturalization Service... 624 00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:01,910 ...at the Forensic Document Laboratory in McLean, Virginia. 625 00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:05,271 I'm a senior forensic document examiner. 626 00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,910 Now, what is the date of the Arrow Cross... 627 00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:14,192 ...Special Section identification card? 628 00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,072 November 1, 1944. 629 00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:20,914 Now, what is the date of the immigration card... 630 00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:23,156 ...issued upon arrival to the United States... 631 00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:25,794 ...the so-called green card? 632 00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,309 February 12, 1952. 633 00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:32,037 Mr. Nathanson... 634 00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:35,192 ...what is your conclusion concerning the two documents? 635 00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,517 My conclusion is that the photographs are of the same man... 636 00:44:38,720 --> 00:44:40,597 ...and the signatures are of the same man: 637 00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:42,472 Michael J. Laszlo. 638 00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:46,559 Did you conduct an examination as to the authenticity... 639 00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:50,958 ...of the government exhibit one, the Special Section ID card? 640 00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:53,116 Objection, Your Honour. 641 00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:57,515 Government exhibit one is not a Special Section identification card. 642 00:44:57,720 --> 00:45:01,156 It is a Photostat of a Special Section identification card. 643 00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:03,392 Sustained. 644 00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:07,628 I conducted a full-phase examination of the Photostat I was provided... 645 00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,513 ...to determine whether there'd been alteration in any form. 646 00:45:10,720 --> 00:45:12,790 What methods did you use? 647 00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:16,910 I studied the document under low-power stereoscopic microscope... 648 00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:18,951 ...to determine background tone. 649 00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:21,913 In addition, I did a photo study and handwriting analysis... 650 00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:24,839 ...using all scientifically accepted methods. 651 00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,270 And what is your conclusion, Mr. Nathanson? 652 00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:30,313 The exhibit is authentic in my opinion. 653 00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:32,431 Your witness. 654 00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:34,632 Mr. Nathanson... 655 00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:38,116 ...when you say you did a photo study, you mean you did a photo study... 656 00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:40,709 - ... of a Photostat, isn't that correct? - Yes. 657 00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:42,751 Your Honour, may I approach the witness? 658 00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:44,313 Yes. 659 00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:49,436 The fact that government exhibit number one is a Photostat... 660 00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:53,110 ...and not the document itself, did that hinder you in any way? 661 00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:55,993 I felt I was not restricted by the Photostat. 662 00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:58,953 But would you have felt more confident in your conclusions... 663 00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:01,515 ...if you were dealing with the ID card itself? 664 00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:04,479 I feel confident in my conclusions without it. 665 00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:08,748 Mr. Nathanson, when analysing a Photostat... 666 00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:10,791 ...to authenticate a document... 667 00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:15,118 ...is it possible to consider the texture of the original document? 668 00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:17,436 A Photostat examined microscopically... 669 00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:19,517 ...would show any alteration in the paper. 670 00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:23,555 Can you authenticate the age of the paper with a Photostat? 671 00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:25,557 - Indirectly, yes. - Indirectly? 672 00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,069 - Yes. - But the only way to authenticate it... 673 00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:31,317 ...directly is by having the original document. 674 00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:33,359 Yes. 675 00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:38,318 So, Mr. Nathanson, your conclusions here today are not definitive, are they? 676 00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:39,748 In my opinion, they are. 677 00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:41,916 - In your opinion? - Yes. 678 00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:45,510 Mr. Nathanson, are you Jewish? 679 00:46:45,720 --> 00:46:49,156 Objection, Your Honour. The witness's religion is not relevant here. 680 00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:52,477 It relates directly, Your Honour, to his objectivity as a witness. 681 00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:54,830 He just stated he was offering an opinion. 682 00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:57,600 He offered conclusions based on 30 years of experience... 683 00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,872 - ... in the Justice Department. - Overruled. 684 00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:02,832 You may answer the question. 685 00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:04,439 I'm Unitarian. 686 00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,275 But I am part Jewish on my father's side. 687 00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,150 - Yeah. - No further questions, Your Honour. 688 00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:12,954 - Mr. Burke? - Nothing further, Your Honour. 689 00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:15,674 We will adjourn until tomorrow morning. 690 00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:19,999 First witness, and her bottom line is, "Are you Jewish?" 691 00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:25,273 Yes! 692 00:47:29,720 --> 00:47:34,111 Georgine, find out where the witnesses from Hungary are staying. 693 00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:36,675 I wanna know who they see and what they talk about. 694 00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:38,996 They're gonna be speaking Hungarian. 695 00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:42,590 I understand Hungarian. Don't I, Papa? 696 00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:47,871 You wear a suit tomorrow. You sit next to me, like Annie. Both my kids. 697 00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:50,958 - It's in the dry cleaner's, Pop. - Well, get it out. 698 00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:59,075 Hi, Grandpa. I saw you on TV again. 699 00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:01,356 - Hey, honey. - Hey, Mom. 700 00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:03,513 Let me see. 701 00:48:03,720 --> 00:48:05,597 - What's the matter with your eye? - Nothing. 702 00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:07,153 - What happened? - I'm fine. 703 00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:09,157 - It was just a fight at school. - Show me. 704 00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:11,430 - Let's put something on it. - I'm fine. 705 00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:14,758 Sons of a bitches! 706 00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:18,714 - Goddamn them to fucking hell. - Good night, Mr. Laszlo. 707 00:48:19,720 --> 00:48:21,790 Why, you! 708 00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:27,515 Hon, put this one on. This is fresh. 709 00:48:27,720 --> 00:48:30,280 Oh, Mikey. Why do you watch them? They're so violent. 710 00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:33,233 - No, they're not. They're funny. - No, they're stupid. 711 00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:35,829 Can I go to the trial with you? 712 00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:38,795 It's not for kids, honey. 713 00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:41,994 I already know all about that stuff anyway. 714 00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:44,668 - Yeah? - Grandpa told me all about it. 715 00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:46,836 What did he tell you? 716 00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:49,197 It's a secret just between him and me. 717 00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:51,671 You can't tell me? 718 00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:57,028 He said it's all a big exaggeration. 719 00:48:57,240 --> 00:48:59,629 The Holocaust and stuff. 720 00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:01,518 It's all made-up. 721 00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:04,398 He said that? 722 00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:07,714 You're not gonna say anything, are you? 723 00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:10,593 Keep that on your eye. 724 00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:13,234 - Just keep it on your eye. - Wise guy. I'll plank him. 725 00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:16,557 Turn this off, Mikey. You've got homework. 726 00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:23,157 - That was a stupid thing to say. - What did I say? 727 00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:25,949 What you said to Mikey about the Holocaust. 728 00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:28,628 - I didn't say anything to him. - Don't lie to me, Papa. 729 00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:30,637 - I'm not lying to you. - He just told me. 730 00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:32,353 He didn't! 731 00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:34,033 Grandpa Talbot. 732 00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:38,118 You said you wouldn't say anything! 733 00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:48,231 All rise. 734 00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:56,155 - Come, sit up here. - Please be seated. 735 00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:02,956 Just keep your mouth shut today. 736 00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:04,832 Call your next witness, Mr. Burke. 737 00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:08,156 May we see you in chambers, Your Honour? 738 00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:09,634 You may. 739 00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:11,512 All rise. 740 00:50:11,720 --> 00:50:14,917 - What's going on, Annie? - I don't know. 741 00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:19,639 - What's going on, Pop? - I don't know. 742 00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:23,076 I have some good news, Your Honour. 743 00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:25,157 The Hungarian government has turned over... 744 00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:29,956 ...the Special Section ID card itself to the Justice Department labs. 745 00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:33,040 Maybe that will clarify everything. 746 00:50:33,240 --> 00:50:35,310 Do you have a problem with that, Mrs. Talbot? 747 00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:37,158 No, Your Honour. 748 00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:41,552 It's funny. I score some points on one of your witnesses... 749 00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:44,832 ...and they throw something in the pot from Budapest. 750 00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:46,992 They prosecuting the case, or are you? 751 00:50:47,240 --> 00:50:49,754 Come on. We've been working for months... 752 00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:52,474 ...through the embassies to get the original card. 753 00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:54,910 The way you've been carrying on about Photostat... 754 00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:56,758 ...you should be jumping with joy. 755 00:50:56,960 --> 00:51:00,111 I'll let your forensic-documents man examine it first. 756 00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:03,278 - Will a week be sufficient? - Yes, Your Honour. Thank you. 757 00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:10,115 Mrs. Hollo, tell us what happened... 758 00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:14,472 ...on the afternoon of January the 11th, 1945. 759 00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:18,591 I worked at the steam dry cleaners. 760 00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:27,548 I left work early that day because the bombings were especially heavy. 761 00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:34,956 Do you approve of the translation, Papa? 762 00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:36,957 - All the buildings were on fire. - Yeah. 763 00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:39,196 There was smoke everywhere. 764 00:51:41,240 --> 00:51:42,798 The air-raid sirens were on. 765 00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:48,757 It was at Kalvin's Square where I saw them. 766 00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:50,837 Who did you see? 767 00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:58,393 I saw three men in black uniforms. 768 00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:04,516 I knew they were Special Section Arrow Cross. 769 00:52:04,720 --> 00:52:08,030 - This one can't even speak English. - Karchy. 770 00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:09,918 Karchy. 771 00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:11,908 Shut up. 772 00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:16,159 They were talking to my neighbour, Mrs. Canter, and her 10-year-old son. 773 00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:25,274 Then one of them yelled at the woman, "You gypsy whore. 774 00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:28,040 - What are you doing here?" - What did Mrs. Canter say? 775 00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:35,549 She started to cry and she said, " No, I'm not a gypsy. " 776 00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:46,516 Then he yelled at her, " If you're not a Jew... 777 00:52:46,720 --> 00:52:49,871 ...tell your boy to say the 'Our Father. "' 778 00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:57,157 She started to cry so hard she couldn't even speak. 779 00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:02,040 And the others just laughed. 780 00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:08,957 It's all right. Take your time. 781 00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:11,148 What happened? 782 00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:15,077 He shot her in the head. 783 00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:23,269 Then the boy threw himself on top of her... 784 00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:25,516 ...and then he shot the boy in the head also. 785 00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:35,033 Then one of them said, " Mischka, let's get out of here. " 786 00:53:35,240 --> 00:53:36,468 And they just walked away. 787 00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:38,432 He called him Mischka? 788 00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:39,959 Yes. 789 00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:41,997 Mrs. Hollo... 790 00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:46,436 ...is this the man... 791 00:53:47,080 --> 00:53:49,275 ...that shot the mother and the boy? 792 00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:52,031 Yes. This is the man. 793 00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:01,191 He walked right by me when they left. 794 00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:04,517 He was so close I could have reached out and touched him. 795 00:54:04,720 --> 00:54:07,188 No further questions, Your Honour. 796 00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:09,193 Your witness. 797 00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:11,630 Mrs. Hollo, you must have an amazing memory... 798 00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:14,559 ...to recognize a face you saw only briefly 40 years ago. 799 00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:16,159 - Your Honour? - Yes. 800 00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:17,998 Mrs. Hollo... 801 00:54:18,240 --> 00:54:21,516 ...did you place a phone call to Budapest last night? 802 00:54:21,720 --> 00:54:24,871 Objection. Irrelevant and immaterial. This woman is not on trial here. 803 00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:26,911 Relates to the witness' state of mind. 804 00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:29,475 The witness' state of mind is not the issue here. 805 00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:33,798 - I will allow it. Get to the point soon. - Did you place a call to Budapest? 806 00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:37,756 Yes. I spoke to my son. 807 00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:39,712 And what does your son do in Hungary? 808 00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:43,595 Objection. Her son's life has no bearing on this trial. 809 00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:45,597 Overruled. 810 00:54:46,720 --> 00:54:48,438 What does your son do? 811 00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:55,593 He's deputy to the assistant agricultural minister. 812 00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:58,712 - He's a Communist official? - Objection. This is redbaiting. 813 00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:01,673 I must be able to question this witness regarding motivation. 814 00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:04,269 Excuse me, how would you know she made a phone call? 815 00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:07,074 Counsel, would you approach the bench, please? 816 00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:15,753 - How do you know she called? - I was fishing, Your Honour. 817 00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:18,235 Yeah. What did you do, wiretap the room? 818 00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:21,592 If Mr. Burke is accusing me of an illegal act... 819 00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:24,598 - ... he should do it formally. - She'll turn this into a circus. 820 00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:27,837 - You'd like that, wouldn't you? - Mr. Burke, in this courtroom... 821 00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:32,079 ...address your arguments to me, not to opposing counsel. 822 00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:35,676 Mrs. Talbot, you may pursue this line of inquiry... 823 00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:37,997 ...but do it quickly, and make your point. 824 00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:39,474 Thank you. 825 00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:44,593 - My objection stands, for the record. - Objection is overruled, for the record. 826 00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:46,279 Is your son a Communist official? 827 00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:54,519 Government officials are members of the Communist party. 828 00:55:54,720 --> 00:55:58,872 Mrs. Hollo, when you identified the photograph of my father in Budapest... 829 00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:01,275 ...did you speak with your son about it? 830 00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:02,708 Yes. 831 00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:05,559 And did your son tell you... 832 00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:07,671 ...that my father had once been arrested... 833 00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:10,474 ...for disrupting the Hungarian National Folk Dancers? 834 00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:14,195 - Objection, Your Honour. - Overruled. 835 00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:17,432 - Did he? - No. He did not. 836 00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:20,389 But you know it now. 837 00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:22,633 Yes. 838 00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:28,992 But this has nothing to do with my testimony here. 839 00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:30,879 No? 840 00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:35,912 No further questions, Your Honour. 841 00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:38,111 - Mr. Burke? - Nothing further, Your Honour. 842 00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:41,115 We will recess for one hour. 843 00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:46,195 Georgine Wheeler, please. 844 00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:51,194 Pop, I've got a lot of good salami sandwiches here. 845 00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:53,118 - Want one? - She say when she'd be back? 846 00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:54,912 - Harry. - Mischka, don't worry. 847 00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:56,712 They're never gonna send you back. 848 00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:58,478 - Salami? - Both of us will be dead... 849 00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:01,831 - ... before the appeals are exhausted. - Yes. 850 00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:05,279 I thought you did real good, considering. 851 00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:09,750 Annie, you want a salami sandwich? 852 00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:14,992 You know, I don't understand what the hell is going on here. 853 00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:17,953 Trouble with these young clowns in Washington today... 854 00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:22,711 ...they're so full of glasnost and building Hilton hotels over there. 855 00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:25,469 They should never have gotten into court. 856 00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:28,879 - Why'd you say that to Mikey? - What did I say? 857 00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:31,355 The Holocaust was all made-up. 858 00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:35,834 I don't know what you're talking about. Mikey and I never discuss politics. 859 00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:37,995 Where have you been? 860 00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:41,670 Getting information from those Hungarian witnesses. 861 00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:45,999 Do you swear to tell the truth... 862 00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:49,033 ...the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help you God? 863 00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:51,754 - Yeah, I do. - Please be seated. 864 00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:56,270 - Mr. Boday, do you speak English? - Little. 865 00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:59,438 We could use the interpreter if you'd like to speak Hungarian. 866 00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:01,517 I try English. 867 00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:03,392 Mr. Burke. 868 00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:08,909 - Mr. Boday, where do you reside? - In Budapest. 869 00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:12,715 And where did you reside in December of 1944? 870 00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:14,273 In Budapest ghetto. 871 00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:17,951 Mr. Boday, can you describe to us the events... 872 00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:22,790 ...that took place there on December the 14th, 1944? 873 00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:26,159 Night, 7:00. 874 00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:28,032 One room we're in. 875 00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:30,310 My mother, father... 876 00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:33,910 ...my brother, my wife, Clara, my boy. 877 00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:38,916 - How old was your boy? - He 7 year old. 878 00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:41,396 - They come. - Who came in? 879 00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:43,795 Special Section. 880 00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:48,152 They come in. Machine gun, uniform. 881 00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:50,669 - Black. All black. - You must look at the witness. 882 00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:52,233 On arm... 883 00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:54,234 - How you say? - What? 884 00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:55,634 - Look at him. - " Insignia. " 885 00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:57,068 Insignia. 886 00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:02,519 - "Arrow Cross. " - Arrow Cross. 887 00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:05,712 Did you know about the Arrow Cross before, Mr. Boday? 888 00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:08,878 Yeah. We see Arrow Cross before. 889 00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:11,310 How many of them were there, Mr. Boday? 890 00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:12,839 Four. 891 00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:17,955 Two leaders. One have scar on face. 892 00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:21,193 Other, big boss, Mischka. 893 00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:24,870 - His name was Mischka? - Yeah. They called him Mischka. 894 00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:28,277 What did they do then, Mr. Boday? 895 00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:31,358 Mischka, he the most talk. He say: 896 00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:34,996 "You got jewel, diamonds. All you Jews got gold. " 897 00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:38,192 My father say, "We got nothing. " 898 00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:41,990 - Then what happened? - Mischka, he- 899 00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:44,919 He take my wife. He say: 900 00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:46,792 "Open mouth, pig. " 901 00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:50,112 He look at teeth. 902 00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:53,198 He say, " Plenty gold. " 903 00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:56,998 And then? 904 00:59:57,400 --> 00:59:59,118 They take us from ghetto. 905 00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:01,709 Very cold. Snow. 906 01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:04,115 We march in street. 907 01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:06,112 My mother fall. 908 01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:08,709 One of them, not Mischka... 909 01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:11,275 ...he with a scar... 910 01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:13,909 ...he beat her on head with rifle. 911 01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:15,878 We keep march. 912 01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:19,277 No see Mama again. She stay in street. 913 01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:24,671 - Where did they march you? - They march us to the Duna riverbank. 914 01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:27,038 Danube. 915 01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:29,516 By bridge. Lanchid. 916 01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:31,073 To a field. 917 01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:33,032 Many people there. Jews. 918 01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:37,119 Mischka say, "All you get bath, water cold, kill fleas. " 919 01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:41,996 And what happened there, Mr. Boday, on the riverbank of the Danube? 920 01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:44,039 They tell us: 921 01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:46,356 "Stand close. " 922 01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:48,591 We stand close. 923 01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:50,832 They take wire. 924 01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:55,079 They wrap wire around us, two group. 925 01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:57,072 Very tight. 926 01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:03,153 They move us to the edge of bank of river. 927 01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:05,358 Mischka say: 928 01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:07,915 "Sorry, we no got enough the bullet. " 929 01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:14,272 He take pistol, go behind my Clara. 930 01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:16,833 He say: 931 01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:19,474 "One for you, pig. " 932 01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:22,878 He shoot. 933 01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:26,676 He come behind us... 934 01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:30,428 ...he put pistol to my father head... 935 01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:34,959 ...he shoot. 936 01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:39,189 And then push us in Duna. 937 01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:43,795 So he shot your wife and then your father and dumped you in the river. 938 01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:46,560 Your Honour, that is not a question, that is a speech. 939 01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:49,518 Sustained. 940 01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:55,914 Yeah. They- They push from edge. 941 01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:58,916 We wired together. 942 01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:02,632 Duna very cold. They think we all die. 943 01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:04,751 How did you survive, Mr. Boday? 944 01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:07,997 I don't know. I feel I died. 945 01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:11,796 We got swept to riverbank. 946 01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:16,473 I got hand out, take wire off. 947 01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:20,312 Father dead... 948 01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:22,232 ...boy dead. 949 01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:24,238 I no see Clara in water. 950 01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:30,118 Mr. Boday... 951 01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:37,477 ...is this the man that shot your wife and your father... 952 01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:41,434 - ... and pushed you in the river? - Yeah. That is Mischka. 953 01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:45,958 Is there any doubt in your mind that that is the man, Mr. Boday? 954 01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:51,114 I see him 40 year every night I close eyes. 955 01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:53,311 It is Mischka. 956 01:02:55,560 --> 01:02:59,155 No further questions, Your Honour. Your witness. 957 01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:06,356 Mr. Boday, would you care to take a short recess before we begin? 958 01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:10,717 Mr. Boday... 959 01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:13,634 ...how did you identify my father as the man... 960 01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:15,751 ...who did these things to your family? 961 01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:19,635 They come to me six month ago, show me photograph. 962 01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:21,114 They showed you a photograph? 963 01:03:21,320 --> 01:03:24,790 - Objection, the witness is misspeaking. - He's coaching the witness. 964 01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:27,468 Let the witness speak for himself, Mr. Burke. 965 01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:31,550 They show me many photographs of many people. 966 01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:34,320 Who showed you these photographs? 967 01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:36,313 Mr. Burke... 968 01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:38,715 ...man from American Embassy... 969 01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:42,836 ...man from Interior Ministry and translator. 970 01:03:43,040 --> 01:03:44,314 And what did they tell you? 971 01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:48,229 Mr. Burke, he say he investigate war criminal. 972 01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:52,353 He find in United Nations my affidavit what happened. 973 01:03:52,560 --> 01:03:55,154 He say, " I think they find man. " 974 01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:57,555 How many photographs were shown to you? 975 01:03:57,760 --> 01:03:59,478 - Many. - This guy's a fake. 976 01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:02,592 Were there 10 or 20? Were there 100? 977 01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:06,918 - Twelve or 15. - Well, which was it? Was it 12 or 15? 978 01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:09,998 - I no remember. - You don't remember? 979 01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:13,791 - How were they displayed to you? - Displayed? 980 01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:18,638 They put on table. 981 01:04:18,840 --> 01:04:22,389 And of these 12 or 15 photos... 982 01:04:22,600 --> 01:04:25,319 ...where was my father's picture on the table? 983 01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:29,837 - I don't remember exactly. - You don't remember? 984 01:04:30,080 --> 01:04:32,753 And were the men in the photographs all the same age? 985 01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:35,793 Yeah. All of them young, like Mischka. 986 01:04:36,120 --> 01:04:38,998 How long did it take you to recognize the photo? 987 01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:45,117 Mr. Boday, you said that you dreamed of this man every night... 988 01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:47,436 ...for 40 years, that you couldn't forget. 989 01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:49,358 So how long did it take? 990 01:04:52,560 --> 01:04:54,551 Can you give us your best estimate? 991 01:04:55,160 --> 01:04:56,912 As soon as I see him.